פרק 499 - מארחים את מנחה הפודקאסט הבינלאומי של פיורנטינה

Politics! Go home to the
ground! We'll say thank

you to them for the
politics of the time! We

are in Iraq, again at
Barking in Green. We are

with a guest from
Philadelphia, a regular

member of the Fiorentina
group who was our guest

this week. So we are in
the middle of the

tradition, talking to
him. And for those who

don't speak English,
there will be a segment

with Asaf Ackerman, with
God's help, that she can

also reveal in Hebrew a
large part of the secrets

behind Maccabi's arrest.
So we welcome Ofer

Prostner, Matan Gilor,
who is here with us, and

of course, the arrest
witness, Mike McCormack.

Good evening, Mike. Good
evening, guys. How are

you doing? We are doing
great. We will be very

happy to hear from you
all the secrets behind

the viola and be prepared
for Thursday. I

appreciate it, guys.
Thanks for having me on.

I appreciate it a lot.
Thank you for being on.

So, Mike, first of all,
would you mind

introducing yourself? How
did you become a viola

fan? What was it about
the team that, you know,

lured you to it? And, you
know, just about yourself

a bit. Yeah, you know, so
I grew up in the

Philadelphia area, which
is in Pennsylvania in the

United States. Like many
people in Pennsylvania, I

grew up actually a fan of
American football, the

NFL. And probably, let's
say, right around, like,

2010, I started getting
tired of our football.

The rules changed, and
you couldn't play as much

defense. And I grew up as
a defensive, you know,

linebacker when I played
football. So as that

changed, I started
watching the NFL less.

And at that point, I
really needed to find a

sport or something to
pass the time. And now

keep in mind, I'm 6'1",
I'm 250 now. You know,

when I was in high school
and college, I was 6'1",

probably like 225, 235.
So I've always been a big

guy. You know, so I
played soccer, you know,

European football. Once
in my life. And really, I

understood that I needed
to have a huddle. You

know, a huddle in the NFL
where the linemen and

everybody put their hands
on their knees, and you

take a break, and you
catch your breath. Too

much running for me. But
as I watched soccer, I

was amazed at the skill
set. Like, the things

that these guys can do
with the ball at their

feet, it was incredible.
So I fell in love with

the game instantly. Now,
I grew up a 49ers fan

with the NFL, which,
great team. I grew up a

Yankees fan in baseball.
Great team. I grew up a

Notre Dame fan in college
football. Great team. So

at this point, I couldn't
have another great team.

You know, I wasn't gonna
follow Manchester United.

I wasn't gonna follow
Real Madrid. So I wanted

to find a club that I
could get into and just

enjoy for the spirit of
the game. And my favorite

city in the world is
Florence. My opinion, the

most beautiful city in
the world. And their

club, beautiful color
purple. And at that time,

it was coached by Cesare
Prandelli, who's one of

my favorite coaches ever.
And just a beautiful game

that they played. Passing
and scoring and shooting.

So it was easy for me to
fall in love with that

club. And ever since
then, I've dealt with all

of the ups and downs and,
you know, just

rollercoaster of emotions
that it is to be a

Fiorentina fan because we
never seem to be able to

get out of our way. So I
decided to not follow a

good team and chose
Fiorentina, who's really

caused a lot of anxiety
and angst over the years.

You know, it's very
romantic because the

three of us, we were born
to a father who was

Maccabi fan. So you had
the chance to fall in

love with the team. Yeah.
Yeah, you know, I've, you

know, because I do
journalism now as a

hobby, you know, I've
been able to meet a lot

of people in Florence and
I've interviewed players

and coaches. I've
interviewed the owner of

our club. And every time
somebody, you know, gets

to sit down and have a
conversation, they always

ask, what's a guy from
the States named Michael

McCormick doing, talking
about, you know, Italian

cacio. And it is, you
know, I am not Italian. I

have no Italian heritage.
It's just that I fell in

love with the city and
traveling. You fall in

love with the people. You
know, I have family who

are from Israel. I know
Israelis travel a lot. So

you understand how you
can easily fall in love

with a place and the
people. That's what it

was for me. And, you
know, the actual team

came after the people and
the city. So romanticism,

no doubt. That's a lovely
story. You know, in

Israel, people fell in
love with Florentina a

lot in the 90s because of
one player. You must know

who that is. Yeah. The
great Batigol. Yeah. So,

you know, since you're an
avid student of the club,

I would imagine, can you
tell us a little bit

about it? The history,
you know, what it's like,

the club itself, and how
it came to be, you know.

It's still a big club in
Italy. One of the big, I

think, eight or nine. So
can you tell us about

that? Yeah, listen, we
always try to make sure

that we're part of the
sisters is what they call

them over in Setia. You
know, real quick, I'll

give a shout out to, as
you mentioned, Florentina

in Israel. We do have a
viola club in Israel.

It's head up by a
gentleman, really great

guy, Yotam Shavit, who
lives in Herzliya. And

there are, you know, a
few other members that

have been there. And
yeah, it goes back to

Batistuta. I mean, you
know, Gabriel Batistuta

in the day, one of the
greatest players of all

time. And the fact that
he was able to play at

Fiorentina like today
would never happen. But

in the prime of his
career, like those are

the glory years. Now I
miss those. You know, I'm

fortunate enough to be
able to be parts of a

couple of viola clubs
with some older

Fiorentina fans. So I've
learned a lot of the

history from them, not
just like reading about

it. So keep in mind, I
became a fan in 2010. Our

history is pretty bad,
you know, since 2010. So,

you know, being able to
sit down with a lot of

the old guys and learn
the history from them,

the romanticism of the
game, and, you know,

Antonioni. I've met
Antonioni, Giancarlo, who

was a World Cup winner
and, you know, didn't win

much with Fiorentina, but
stayed in the city

because of the city being
so beautiful. Gabriel

Batistuta, who came in
there and, you know, Rui

Costa. Like those days
were things that I've

missed. So we've had a
lot of history going back

to the 50s and 60s. There
was a lot of pride coming

into the 90s. And then
obviously we had a team

that financially had some
issues, had to be

relegated down to
leagues. And then, you

know, within two years,
we're able to get back up

to Serie A. That's when
the Della Valle came in

to own the club. And the
Della Valle, you know,

owners of a fashion
company, Todd's Shoes, so

it's not like they could
throw a lot of money into

it, but they were very
passionate about the

club. They did invest in
the club. And, you know,

for those first 10 years
that they had it, it was

a beautiful footballing
experience. The passion

between the ownership,
the fans, the players,

really propelled them
into a lot of success,

European, you know. So,
you know, talk about

Bayern and Liverpool, you
know, played them and

beat a few of those teams
over the years. For fans

of that generation, it
was definitely a sight to

behold. You know, there
were a lot of people who

not only developed a lot
of pride, but got a lot

of satisfaction in it.
You know, the later part

of the Della Valle years,
unfortunately, we turned

into a self-funding team,
had some issues in buying

some players. So we went
from a Champions League

club for many, many years
into almost a relegation

battle year over year.
You know, not the best

coaching hires, not the
best player personnel

decisions. And then you
have the era where we are

today in, you know,
bringing in Rocco Camiso.

So Rocco Camiso, famously
from the United States,

very, very successful
gentleman worth between

eight and nine billion
dollars, which is a lot

of money, purchases the
club. You know, talk

about romanticism, guy
who grew up in Calabria,

the south of Italy, buys
a club in Florence, you

know, starts trying to
have some success. You

know, he's a very well
-hearted person. My

personal opinion is he
hires the wrong people to

lead the club, which is
why we are where we are.

So we have a lot of good
things going, but go back

to what I said, like we
always get in our way and

that's the same situation
where we find ourselves

right now. So, you know,
all the way through, you

know, when we were
successful, down the

valley years of the
romanticism of the game

again to the frustration
that you see a lot of the

fans having right now
under Rocco Camiso, you

know, there's still a lot
of hope for the club,

still a lot of promise
and progress, but a lot

of people are really down
right now, which is

unfortunate. Do you think
if you would have won

last year's final in the
Conference League against

West Ham, do you think it
would be different?

Completely. So how is
this year? You know, you

said people are down and
maybe the atmosphere is

not that good with the
fans, but how is this

year going on so far? So,
had we won last year, we

would have gotten to the
Europa League. The only

reason that we are where
we are still in Europe is

because Juventus cheated
and had to give up a

European position. So we
finished outside of

Europe and because they
abandoned that spot, you

know, slapping themselves
on the wrist like Juve

always does and they get
away from it. And by the

way, thank you guys for
beating them, which is my

favorite thing ever. So,
that's the only reason

that we're in Europe.
Having this conversation

today is we got lucky
because somebody finally

caught Juve for cheating.
This year, we, you know,

we had several articles
and conversations,

talking points. We're
still a self-financing

team. We've made nearly
70 million euros. Now,

you guys, I think the
last I looked at transfer

market have a team that's
built around 26 million

euros, right? Smaller
team. Obviously,

Fiorentina is bigger, but
we made 70 million euros

of profit over the past
four years. Past a

transfer windows, we're
profiting off of the

players that we're
selling and we're not

purchasing the better
players. So that's why we

are where we are. The
fans are getting very

frustrated with Rocco.
Giobarone is not making

very good decisions and a
team that could,

honestly, we were sitting
in fourth place in

December. You know, we
dropped a lot, didn't

purchase the players we
should have in January

and you're seeing a lot
of the signs coming back

that's just driving
negativity and it

shouldn't be that way. I
mean, we're still in the

top bracket. We're still
in contention for the

Coppa Italia. We're still
in contention for Europe.

Just so much negativity.
In Israel, we are very

excited from every match
against the teams from

the continent. How do you
look at the Conference

League in a state that in
every year plays some of

the teams in the
Champions League and in

the Europa League and in
the finals of these

competitions and do you
think maybe the

participating in the
Conference League is one

of the reasons you don't
have enough success in

the league because of
many games during the

year? Our team was not
built with depth going

back to the summer
transfer window. So as a

result, we have suffered
in the league because

we've been playing three
and four fronts at times

which is not helping.
However, I will say this,

the Conference League is
one of the things that's

really saved Rocco and
the relationship between

the fans because of where
we finished last year.

With that run, he bought
himself a lot of favor.

It's kind of dwindled now
but if he can make

another run, get to the
championship game and

even if he can win it, he
will buy himself years of

fan favor. Fiorentina
right now, in my opinion,

won't finish top seven in
Serie A. So I think that

they will probably
prioritize the Conference

League and the Coppa
Italia. So you'll see and

even this past weekend,
one of our best players

this year, very
underrated, Alfred

Duncan, was left on the
bench when he probably

should have come in and
could have helped us win

the game where we
ultimately got a draw but

he stayed on the bench.
My guess is because we're

saving him for this week
against Maccabi. Thank

you. It's very
interesting to see how

usually Italian teams
were very... I wouldn't

say dismissive but maybe
that's the word of the

European competitions and
mostly focusing on the

league but it seems that
maybe with the Conference

League it's giving
Italian teams more

passion for the
continental game but you

mentioned the team's
worth. Our top signing is

going to play hopefully
in first if he doesn't

get injured sometime is 1
.6 million dollars or

million euros, sorry.
Yeah. That's the striker,

Piero. Right, Matan? I'm
not mistaken. After we

qualified to the
Champions League last

season I think it raised
something like more than

100,000 euros something
like this or maybe 1.7.

But this is the top
signing so I think it

gives you kind of a
comparison between what

the teams are worth. So
can you maybe share with

us what we'll see? Who
are the players that

we're going to see on
Thursday starting in the

XI? I'd imagine that
we're probably going to

see Belotti up top again.
If what I think is the

case that we are
prioritizing this Belotti

will start up top. Enzola
was the guy who was

playing there prior to us
loaning out Belotti but

you know it's just a bad
situation for Enzola

right now just because he
hasn't had success and

the pressure is just
really mounting on him

from the club from the
fans and it's tough. So I

don't think that this is
the right game to march

out Enzola. I see Belotti
up top. You know Niko got

a good run. We need Niko
in order to play well.

Kawame is still he just
got out of the hospital

but he came back from the
African Cup of Nations

with malaria so I don't
see him coming in so that

could be more of an Ikone
situation. Sotil had an

awful awful game so I
don't think that he's

going to run back out
right now. I can see

Duncan and Arthur in the
middle which is a very

good duo. You know one
can dribble and get out

of anything and Arthur or
I'm sorry Duncan right

now I haven't seen a
midfielder pass like

Duncan is since my
favorite player Borja

Valero. You think Duncan
will start and not

Bonaventura? So I think
probably what you're

going to see is Beltran
over Jack at this point.

So Beltran Jack are kind
of at this attacking

midfielder position and
we bought Beltran as a

forward but as we've gone
through the entire year

what we're finding out is
he's a much better second

striker and put that into
that category of that

attacking midfield. So
really Beltran and Jacker

are the ones competing
for the minutes and I see

this as a nice
opportunity for Beltran

to sit right behind
Balote. So in that one

then you have Icone
Beltran Nico in that

three. Now you come back
to the midfield. You're

going to have some type
of Arthur Duncan look to

it and then the back you
know it's anybody's guess

what that's going to look
like. Probably Ranieri

maybe Milankovic. We
haven't seen Lucas

Martinez-Corta recently.
I haven't been able to

see anything if there was
any injury news there. I

know that there was some
suspensions at times. So

two of those three are
definitely going to be on

the pitch. Bragi I can't
imagine is going to miss

it our captain. And then
on the right I would

imagine probably Farione
is going to be starting

who's a very seasoned
experienced player who I

think has done great
things since he's come

over in January. So I
think Milankovic will

start because of its
height and the strength

against Piero. It's guess
of course. Yeah. And what

is the formation that you
envision that they

probably will play? You
know we've kind of gone

back and forth from a lot
of things. You know we've

kind of lined up with
that single forward up

top. We've at times had
two forwards at top.

Right now I think we're
settling with a forward

and then having two wings
and a second striker

attacking midfielder kind
of playing in that next

line. So that one three
then we're starting to

move into the midfield
which you know again

changes depending on who
we're playing because

keep in mind often when
we're in a game our

tactics are to press up
high press often control

possession and hope that
it turns into an

opportunity because there
are games where we'll

have 68 percent of
possession 70 percent of

possession but we'll only
have like one shot on

goal. It's it's
incredible how

ineffective and
inefficient we are with

all of this possession
with all of this press to

actually get a shot on
goal. Now you know on our

podcast it was mentioned
that you guys have given

up quite a few goals
recently so that would

make me think that all of
that possession all of

that press we may be able
to get a goal or two

early which then may open
you guys up even more. So

that is probably what I
would be worried if I'm

high for right now. I
have to correct you. So

in the last 10 league
matches we've given up

three goals. Is that it?
Okay. I think. Right?

Three goals. I'm not
mistaken. In the last two

of them where we were in
10 players because Piro

got ejected. In Europe we
only gave up one goal in

two games and the odd
game was a cup game where

we filled the second team
completely and we

considered three goals.
So that might be. But

actually I think
Maccabi's defense is

maybe the strongest
point. It has the

strongest defense in the
league for sure and it

might be one of the
strongest defense. I

remember in the team we
have a new goalkeeper

which is you know he came
from the youth system.

Simic from Escoli he
played in Italy and he's

been very good and
supposed to play on

Thursday I believe.
Right? Goldberg is

injured so probably. I go
to Matan with my Maccabi

Haifa decisions. He knows
more than me so that's

how it works. Have you
ever been to the Artemio

Franchi Mike? Yes. Yes.
Many times. Many times.

Your stadium is
completely different than

ours. So yeah we're super
jealous of the stadium

that you guys have. It's
gorgeous. That's the

first time that we're
getting I think this you

know usually we played
Juventus last year we

played Benfica we played
this year we had a few

very nice stadiums you
know that we visited Bern

and Rennes and I think
Villarreal but we haven't

had a chance to go there
and even Ghent where we

went it was very
beautiful but the Franchi

is very old right? Very
old. And you said that

your owner has lots of
very deep pockets. Is

there any intention of
fixing the stadium or

building a new one for
Fiorentina? So he's tried

to build a new stadium in
Italy the bureaucracy is

just too much to deal
with. So actually if you

guys are traveling to
Florence you'll actually

see that the stadium is
just starting to get

renovated. So the city
which owns the stadium

got money from the
pandemic of all things.

So you know because
everybody had to stay

home and so many people
got sick Europe and Italy

created pockets of money
of which the mayor of

Florence got 150 million
euros of it to put it

towards renovating the
stadium. Again you have

an owner who wants to use
his own money but instead

of allowing the owner who
has $8 billion which he

wants to do to build or
renovate the stadium the

city is going to take
money that was meant for

the pandemic to renovate
it. So again you know we

don't have to get into
politics by any means but

it's already starting to
be renovated. It should

look nice by 2026 is what
they're saying more

likely 2027 our hundred
year anniversary is in

2026. I know they're
trying to get there.

Italy is not a very
efficient construction

city or country so you
never know but yeah you

will notice some
construction if you're

over there. Are there
good bars to sit and

drink beer in Florence?
Now keep in mind I've

never been to Florence as
an away fan so in Italy

and I don't know if in
Israel but in Italy you

know away teams are
really sectioned into one

area and you know some
European clubs travel

over and cause a lot of
issues during some of the

more recent matches that
we've had. So they do a

good job of separating
that but yes you know

downtown a lot of great
restaurants some good

bars that you can go to
and then certainly you

know drinking wine having
beer they have all of it.

Next to the stadium quite
a few great places not

sure if I'd advocate for
away fans to go to any of

them but a lot of great
places to go for

Fiorentina fans. Okay and
do you think that fans

from both teams will be
able to go to the match

because of the security
issues with the Israeli

now when we went to
Belgium there was a game

without crowd and we
don't know what's going

to be in Florence next
week. As of now I would

venture a guess and say
yes. Florence does a

better job than certain
cities in Belgium around

mitigating some of that
risk in advance. Florence

has always done a good
job as far as controlling

fans and some of these
issues becoming bigger.

So I think that there's a
very good chance that you

guys are going to have a
game that you're going to

be able to attend and I
would hope so. And again

I've been to Florence
many times. I have a lot

of friends who are Jewish
in Florence. You know

it's a very liberal city.
It's not like some of

those down south where
they have a different

stance. One of Europe's
most beautiful synagogues

is in Florence, which
I've toured several

times. So I think that
while there may be some

people that are always
ignorant to what goes on,

Florence is definitely a
safe city for people to

travel and I hope that
they keep the stadium

that way as well. Thank
you. And do you think

that fans from Florence
are going to come to

Budapest to our home
game? Yeah. You know at

this point I think it's
actually a longer trek

for you to get to
Budapest than it is for

somebody from Florence
to. Depending on the time

in which Fiorentina is
playing, the fans will

either protest and they
have had some matches of

protests towards the
ownership and the

administration. I don't
think that we're in one

of those right now. I
think that there's

actually some calm. So I
do think that you'll see

that there's going to be
whatever is allotted to

be there. Fiorentina will
fill it up. And

Fiorentina is also one of
the more boisterous,

loud, singing, passionate
fan bases out there. It's

always a better game when
Fiorentina has the away

section than if it's
empty. This leads me to

my next question that I
always ask our guests.

Can you do us the
pleasure of singing a

song that our fans might
be able to hear when they

come to the Frankie and,
you know, like a good fan

song that you like in
Italian? Oh, so, you

know, my Italian is not
the best. However, I

highly recommend, and it
is one of the better

ones. There is a song
that's called Oh

Fiorentina, which every
time we start a game,

that's the song that they
come out to. Keep in

mind, we have a tunnel
that goes from where the

players get ready. The
two locker rooms are off

to the northwest section
of the pitch. Underneath

is where they get ready.
There's a very, very long

tunnel. I think, in the
last that I was told,

it's actually the longest
tunnel for players to

walk down in Europe.
Beautiful. Just

beautiful. We talk about
the stadium being awful,

but that aspect of it is
just so much history. You

know, Antigone and
Battistuta and Costa, you

name it. So many
different people have

walked down that hallway.
So you walk down and then

you come up to where the
ultras sit in the Corve

Fiasole. The song just
starts and it goes And

like an old-school
Italian song goes right

into O Fiorentina and it
plays for the next three

minutes and whatever
seconds it is. Absolutely

amazing atmosphere. You
have the flares going and

all the fans singing
along to it. It's a

gorgeous song. Great
experience. Typically,

with a few exceptions,
Fiorentina fans are very

respectful to everybody
except for Juventus. So

I'm hopeful that
everybody will be

respectful. There have
been a couple of

incidents where a couple
of fans have and we have

it like everybody else
where there have been

racism and certain chants
but it's been isolated

but still thankfully it's
all called out and people

are kicked out and not
let back in. So hopefully

we're getting to a place
in Florence like

everywhere where
everybody can come in and

enjoy the game unless
you're a Juventus

supporter. You mentioned
the way we beat Juventus

last season and you got
the kick out of it. What

is the general
expectations of the

Fiorentina fans towards
this game? We did beat

Juventus but we are an
Israeli team not the

biggest team in Europe.
So what are the

expectations? Is it a
win? What do you think? I

would say at this point
and you guys are a

different team than you
were even last year. The

situation that you guys
had with and I'm drawing

a blank on his name the
player that spoke out and

was yes. My understanding
is he was also one of

your better players too.
So you're definitely a

different team than you
were against Juve. We

aren't as good of a team
against Juve and we beat

them from time to time. I
think the expectation is

Fiorentina on paper are
definitely a much better

team than Maccabi is. I
think though when you

take a look at it the
optics around the teams

are different. Being a
former athlete myself

when there's so much
noise outside of what's

going on on the pitch
that impacts what's going

on on the pitch. Can the
players sort through the

noise on Fiorentina's end
with a lot of the

positivity that's going
on with Maccabi that's

probably where the game
is going to be played. If

Fiorentina score first I
think that's going to

open up the game where
our press is going to

take a lot more control
and impact things. But if

Maccabi can sit there and
the defense as you

corrected if that defense
can hold up and frustrate

us where we get hit is in
trying to impact a

defense that's set up and
is lined up nicely and

not letting us through is
on that counter attack.

If you can get that
counter attack that's

where there's an
opportunity to have

Fiorentina on the skids
and go up 1-0. And once

that happens our
mentality is we shut down

and it's tough for us to
make a comeback. So

that's kind of the way I
would look at it but as

far as what people are
thinking I think people

are very optimistic
coming into it that

Fiorentina should be able
to advance with this

draw. Not only Maccabi is
not as good as last year

but for us the home
stadium especially in

Europe it's a great
atmosphere. Great

atmosphere. And it lacks
this atmosphere it's very

significant. The second
thing is that we are so

tired because of the war.
We play two times a week

from November until now
all the time. So we have

a lot of injuries, very
tired players, but I

don't think the first leg
will be so easy for

Fiorentina. Right, she's
favorite, she's much

better team but I don't
think the first leg is

going to be as easy as
maybe some of your fans

think but for the
competition competitive

Fiorentina will make it
to the quarterfinal.

Listen, you know, nobody
could put themselves into

the everyday life of
what's going on with

yourselves and the
players right now. I

mean, that's, you know,
you talk about the

negativity of what's
going around Fiorentina,

you guys are dealing with
a lot of stress day in

and day out, playing two
games. In Sunday, we

played in Sunday, I got
to the game on a uniform.

So you understand the
situation, it's very, I

don't know how to say it,
it's problematic. Yeah,

even for us, it's a
little bit extreme. Yeah,

and I can't even imagine
that. I mean, you know,

when we have soldiers who
go to a game, it's

because there's a
military academy that's

playing a football game,
and they're

representative of the
school that they go to,

you know, to go to a game
knowing that you're

serving your country in
an ugly situation right

now. Like, I don't even
know how you think about

it, but that's your
escape from what's going

on in real life. So you
almost need that. Listen,

I empathize, I send my
best, and all my thoughts

and prayers for you guys,
believe me. Thank you so

much, Mike, we really
appreciate it, and really

appreciate the time that
you spent with us this,

your morning, our
afternoon, evening. It's

been a pleasure, and I
hope that when you do get

to visit here after
everything comes down,

we'll get you a ticket to
Simakabi in a proper

atmosphere, in a proper
stadium. And in green,

I'll wear green. Take
your Eagles shirt if you

still have it. I know
that you're a 49ers fan,

but for this one we'll
allow it. Green with

Larry Baird on the back.
I'll pick up one of your

shirts, don't worry about
it. I do have to ask you,

how does it feel to be a
Yankees fan in Philly,

but maybe not now,
because I've been to

Philly, and it's a harsh
town, nobody's smiling

over there. Thank you so
much, and good luck with

the rest of the season,
not on Thursday or next

one. Amit, do you want to
close it in Hebrew? Yes,

of course. Thank you very
much, Mike.

We hope that it won't be
the last chapter in

English this season,
because in every stage we

are interviewing someone
from abroad, so we hope

to get to another city
and place after the two

matches against
Fiorentina, and thank you

very much for joining us.
Thank you much, guys.

Again, stay safe, stay
healthy. Thank you

everybody. Bye-bye. Bye
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